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WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^)

 
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WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 5/29/2003 6:33:09 PM   
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I have seen a couple of times, here and there, on these boards where people will bump heads and get into the " I' m smarter than you are" bouts. So far I have seen people handle themselves pretty darn well here over the whole thing, much better than elsewhere. Also, the people who chime in are quite often an outside voice of reason or mediation.

What kind of gets my attention is *how* people go about trying to prove they are *smarter* than the other person. In one instance a couple of people were discussing a complex mathematical equation and had to make mention of when they completed their graduate school aka education level.
So, what gets to me is the reasoning behind the apparent perception that the ability to perform complex mathematical equations is perhaps somehow a measure of a persons overall intelligence. Following that same line, one would also wonder how exaclty a persons educational level relates to their intelligence.
There have been many studies that have concluded a good number of students at even highly touted universities drink and party their way to their degrees and their instructors just pass them along. Also, it should be noted that not eveyone is gifted with the economic resources to attend college, are of an ethinic origin that allows their SAT scores to get them in (making reference here to the expose that reported that in order to increase " diversity" certain ethinc origins were admitted with sub-standard scores while other races were excluded with above average scores for the same ethnic reasons), and there are of course those who do not even value a " higher education" at all as it takes up the time they would be using to persue their passion in life.
It also does not take into account those people who have an aptitude for certain complex skills that are often equated with having great intelligence that simply give up on them because of social or situational pressures. For example, me (not claiming an abundance or lack of intelligence here). Early in my schooling I excelled at everything, in fact I was ahead of EVERYONE else. However, my ability in mathematics made waves when I drew a pathetic little bit of attention to myself. We are talking early, early basics here... The social waves and instructor were enough to forever alter my perception of mathematics and their value to me, and I devoted all of my sholastic attention to language which didn' t and doesn' t make waves until I want it to

So, to make a long topic longer, I am just looking to hear what people think makes a person smart or in their eyes equates intelligence. Which I am hoping, after looking over this post, doesn' t involve typing/punctuation/spelling skills...

Also, to all the math wizzes... do you find that you have an easier time with spelling over writing and over the people you know who write well? I seems to me over the course of the years that I see a lot of people who write well can' t spell that great, and the math people I know who can' t write a coherant sentence can spell words they have no clue as to what the words mean...

Personally I see people like Bruce Lee, Bill Gates, Tiger Woods, and everyone else who takes their job/art/industry/skill/talent/etc to a higher level as a genius... Thanks!
 
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RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 5/30/2003 8:58:59 AM   
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I see it in two different ways.

The first is intelligence, or " smarts" . That' s the ability with which one is born, and may or may not put it to good use during a lifetime. Education helps to develop this, of course, but it' s not all a factor of one' s schooling.

The other is wisdom, which comes from life experience. " Knowing" when not to bid on an auction item because it looks like a scam, etc.

My father, for instance, wasn' t the most intelligent person on this earth, but he had a couple bushels full of wisdom, and I wish I' d only listened a little closer during my formative years. If I had, perhaps I wouldn' t have had to make so many mistakes to learn the lessons myself.

Growing up, I knew another person, my age, who was extremely intelligent. A math whiz, etc., extraordinaire. But Tim just didn' t have any common sense at all.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 6/2/2003 7:31:52 PM   
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My extremely large brain.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 6/5/2003 7:20:48 PM   
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It' s in my jeans.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 6/7/2003 1:12:08 AM   
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I was a schoolteacher/librarian for 18 years and learning modalities vary from person to person and from culture to culture as well as changing with the times. Smart is basically out-surviving the next guy (or gal) while intelligence is the application of learning to overcome or supercede the problems perceived and experienced as well as laying the foundation for the path to answers for the future' s problems. There is a story that Einstein lived next door to a young man who visited the imminent physicist every day just to give him candy or a treat from his house and to thank him, Einstein did the boy' s math homework - the kid was smarter than Eistein in people skills and out-smarted him when he found the clue to better homework grades but Einstein was intelligent, driven and intimately acquainted with numbers but lacked the personal confidence to be aggressively friendly. Only a child, unfettered by the enormity of the man who " helped" him with his homework, would venture to ask a world-reknown physicist to " trade" treats for doing his homework. How many other people might have stumbled into the life of Albert Einstein if they had not isolated him by calling him intelligent and presuming they had nothing to offer a mathematical genius - not one little boy who spent time with a great man who was GREAT because he helped him with his homework.
Both smarts and intelligence are needed to succeed but alone they suffer from either presumption or from inferiority. A really smart man might be better off in the world than a really intelligent man because he has the survival skills the intelligence might not engender. At least, that is my premise.

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RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 6/10/2003 8:58:31 PM   
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Yes, and of course personality and mental disposition do have a major impact on both a personal and public perception of intelligence. A lot of times the loudest, most aggressive person can charge into the lead and be perceived as intelligent by many of the people that they drag along for any number of reasons. Although, those who appear to be wise or discerning often tend to pay much higher notice to the people who listen a lot and speak very little. I have notcied that while some people hold onto the idea that whomever jumps into the leadership role must be smarter than them, others tend to look specifically to those who keep quielty to themselves.
I also find it interesting how often I have heard it said that an older relative was not considered to be " smart" but held to have a great deal of common sense aka wisdom. I have heard it from my Father about his Father in regards to " book learning" as my Grandfather left school in the 3rd grade. On this matter, I have often wondered if the perception of the person havinr potentially more wisdom than smarts had to do more with the way the person presented themselves.
I can' t say one way or the other... I know often feel like I am talking to or witnessing people who utterly lack either " smarts" or " common sense" but then some people like me just get judgemental more easily than others
I have a best bud I haven' t seen in years who had decent skills in smarts and wisdom, but he had tons of skill in reading people. He could come up and say the most offensive things to some people and they would respond possitively to him. He was even able to read people' s attitudes and intentions when he was not neccessarily the object of their attention. I don' t know what he is doing now, but I think he would have made a heck of a detective or a judge!

Here is another question for you... What exactly is a critical thinker? I have noticed that even while I consider myself to be a highly critical thinker, that I still often fail to dig deep enuogh to uncover all of the important levels of a subject or concept... How about you?

< Message edited by WTS -- 6/10/2003 9:00:32 PM >
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 6/11/2003 10:35:42 PM   
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Critical thinking in its purest form is taking all information rendered and creating a position or standing on the information provided from all outlets, not just listening to the ones you like. It is, in essence, being critical about all aspects and trimming the subject down to an acceptable and usable form comfortable for the thinker.
Thinking is an on-going process - not a destination. When you get too old to think and question, pull the blanket of daisies up over your head and take the eternal " dirt" nap.

< Message edited by nuzlady -- 6/11/2003 10:36:21 PM >


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RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 7/3/2003 5:20:44 AM   
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Personally, I often wonder why paragraph after paragraph of awesome prose elucidating a stance on a topic is extolled as brilliant when it so often lacks wisdom and feeling.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 7/3/2003 5:32:05 AM   
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Of course it' s always important to keep your wits about you.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 7/3/2003 10:44:03 AM   
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*Checks herself out in mirror* My awesome fashion sense :-D
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 7/16/2003 6:48:20 PM   
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Geez! I take a month off from the boards and look at how things go! Pretty cool huh? This is exactly what I had hoped for, both humor and serious response... Although I do know some people...
Never mind, it probably isn' t nice to tease...
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 7/16/2003 11:06:44 PM   
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quote:

There have been many studies that have concluded a good number of students at even highly touted universities drink and party their way to their degrees and their instructors just pass them along.

TRUE! Too good to be True. $ <---- make you smart. The ethnic that do so much better in school than any other ethnics is Hindi. I' m too proud of my oringin, HINDI. I kow you' ll ask me howcome my country is poor, just because we' re too smart and our hormone level keep risingly so high. Instead of working 8 hrs. a day. We work 4 hrs. and other 4 hrs. we practice Kama Sultra.

KAMA SULTRA - meaning--having good time, making less money.
 
RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 2/3/2012 12:51:06 AM   
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How/Why the F did you dig up a thread from 2003?

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RE: WHAT MAKES YOU SO SMART!?!? ;^) - 2/3/2012 8:30:30 AM   
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quote:

How/Why the F did you dig up a thread from 2003?


I was wondering the same thing........

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